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Shaniqua DuBois's avatar

Who the fuck goes toe to toe with China? Trump versus a literal economic genius? Who would win?

To be honest it's terrifying what's happening here. The UK has led by donkeys but we're led by pigeons, they have nothing in their head but goo, they are so stupid. Who the fuck goes toe to toe with China. I am genuinely confused. Revolution needed, simple as.

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Kojo's avatar
Apr 9Edited

Its not about "Trump" alone. No point in tagging his name to everything.

Biden was doing the SAME stupid things.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-slammed-trumps-china-tariffs-now-building-analysis/story?id=110234482

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/biden-sharply-hikes-us-tariffs-billions-chinese-chips-cars-2024-05-14/

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/biden-tariffs-chinese-imports/index.html

And Obama preceeded this with other stupid actions like targeting US military capabilities at China, and aiming to make an Asian "free trade" zone with China's neighbours and the US, but not CHina.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/11/16/fact-sheet-advancing-rebalance-asia-and-pacific

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Truth Seeking Missile's avatar

Here's what could kick off the social violence: the fall of the dollar as reserve currency as the trade war makes US imports dry up. Who knows exactly how much that will shave off the value of our US dollars at home, but it will make everything we buy more expensive. Having nothing but useless dollars to spend could make people desperate and bring chaos and revenge.

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Kojo's avatar

The US is playing ludo, the Chinese are plaing well, chinese checkers. As you said they have been already ahead of the ball.

Here is another example:

https://logistafrica.com/en/highlights/33-african-countries-benefit-from-a-historic-tariff-exemption-by-china-since-december-1-2024/

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202409/1319333.shtml

Now are those 33 countries going to send America a tarrif blackmail cheque.....or send people on trade missions to China and invite Chinese business to come and visit them?

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NE Garden Guru's avatar

33...h.mmmm

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Pxx's avatar

probably both

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Kojo's avatar
Apr 9Edited

These are poor countries: they cannot AFFORD to sell goods to the USA for even less than the already exploitative net proceeds they have now.

So what will happen is the US importers will have to pass on the tarrif costs to US consumers aka inflation, and if they attempt to get lower prices from their suppliers in these countries, you will see a decline in their trade to the US until it reaches zero.

Moreover many of them will do partnerships across the global south to process more of their exports domestically, so that is them moving up the value chain, and often that will involve construction and supply contracts going to chinese companies. Not US ones.

Like I said: the Chinese are many steps ahead.

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Pxx's avatar

Trump is here for a reason. The American people have sinned, this is their punishment. No sense getting in the way.

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Frances Leader's avatar

Trump has a globalist totalitarian agenda and these idiotic policies of economic antagonism are showing his true colours.

I say that we should sit back and let him show the world who he works for and what their agenda really is. Let the idiot do his thing and see how the MAGA crowd turns on him.

Meanwhile, let's aim higher and hit Trump's bosses in the scrotum.

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/ww3-the-pentagon-brief

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apb's avatar

I really hope our government moves away from the imperialist American and Canadian trade agreements and we began to produce Mexican goods with Mexican labor.

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Deaglan O'Mulrooney's avatar

I love this so much, the music omg

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Xiu's avatar

OMG YES, 🎶 the cherry on top of Chef's kiss delivery 🤌🏼

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Quizich🇷🇸's avatar

I think the obvious needs no further discussion - the US goes bonkers. When one looks at the big picture, each and every one of the US' 'adversaries' has been under some degree of sanctions for… well, decades really. Meaning, all of them (Russia, Iran, China, N. Korea…) have already found alternative trades routes increasingly diminishing Western influence. Only Europe (as usual) might've been caught with their pants down in all this. But… WHY?! What could possibly be end goal here!? I can't fathom one. Feel free to help me out anyone…

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Damien McKenna Home's avatar

For the most part I agree.

There is no doubt that China has stumbled upon a much more dynamic form of State Capitalism than that of the failing, decrepit, post colonial European and their colonial cousins model.

China and, to a lesser extent, Russia, is building capitalism out of socialism.

They are both combining a ‘planned economy’ with state controlled capitalism.

It looks like the magic combination with both countries economies expanding at a higher rate than the old capitalist countries.

What isn’t so different, though, is inequality. Both capitalist systems have a growing level of inequality and both, with disastrous consequences for future generations, are pursuing a policy of continuous growth.

The only real positive in the short term - China and Russia are not pushing a war agenda and will trade equally with Saudi Arabia & Israel and Cuba & Nicaragua.

They are not fussy..

Maybe they can sustain that policy (though I can’t see China willingly letting go of its number one industrial capacity), but the earth cannot sustain continuous growth and remain a viable planet for human existence.

I don’t think Marx (and, I don’t claim to be a ‘Marxist’, what ever that means) would change his ‘surplus value’ theory to accommodate China or Russia.

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charles leone's avatar

The Yale Budget Lab model indicates the Trump post-pause tariff package will cost the average American family $2,700 in lost purchasing power. "Wait until stuff in Walmart increases by 5 times," says Mark Blyth professor of International Economics at Brown University.

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NE Garden Guru's avatar

They all work for the same master

Two wings of the same dirty bird

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Explorer's avatar

Yes. Drumph is clearly working for the globalist technocrats. His team is full of them and of course ruled by them. He is now in full swing helping them fulfill the great reset, or reboot (smart word trick!) of the world, completing the global predator mafia's creation of The Digital Prison. They funded Drumph, they bailed him out, and therefore they own him. He is obliged. The current war is not between the east and the west. It is the Grand Chessboard game which the mafia controls from both sides. And from 1973 they have been working on their final winning strike: to undermine the Wast and move their centre of power to the East, from where a more totalitarian model helps them to shape (reboot) the world to their advantage. Their ideal is the Chinese social credit system within the digital prison. Slavery for the masses, luxury for themselves. I reckon they will also move the centre of money from City of London and Wall Street to Astana, Kazakstan. The BRICS alliance is part of this plan, and Russia is full in on the game. The black nobility's first stage was Rome, the second Holland, the third London, the fourth is the USA, and now they are nearly finalising the fifth stage, the East, which they have supplied with technology and military power for over four decades.

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Tom Karnes's avatar

China can weather the economic pain, let's see what that phrase means in practice. By 2020, China had built millions of square feet of high rise apartment blocks standing empty inside "Ghost Cities", remember the images of people being welded in to there apartments, that's right, hundreds of millions of sub social credit score chinese were put there to die, robot dogs collected the corpses, that is weathering the pain, pain of death, Genghis Khan up in here

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