The west has no right to lecture anyone on democracy and, just to be clear, western liberal regimes are not really democracies. As recent events show, western countries live under fascism, some more liberal than others. It's not for us to say whether his is the right way. If he has the support of the people, let them work it out. It's also not for us to say whether it will succeed or end up with another egotist regime. Let the people work it out. The biggest obstacle the people of Burkina Faso face is not their new government, what ever happens, it is from western imperialist interference led by the USA, UK, and France. I have no doubt the CIA, MI5, and the French equivalent already have forces on the ground fostering opposition to a people's government.
Our Western democracies have no right whatsoever to claim any moral high ground. In fact ours are democracies in name only. We elect politicians who are in the pockets of wealthy oligarchs and/or members of the Israel lobby and who put the interests of their puppet masters before those of the people.
Traore is improving his country for his people very rapidly and removing the colonists who have been knowingly preventing progress while skimming off the cream for themselves.
The western imperialism machine loves elections because they provide cover for taking over countries without the populace ever knowing they have been colonized:
Also if you look back in even western history - the countries that demand everyone else must fetishise elections - they did not develop under one person-one vote democracy. In fact they developed with elections for wealthy oligarchs , or for certain racial classes or or for men only etc. The American democracy was founded by only wealthy landowners. Jim Crow was going on in America until the 1960s.
Women did not vote in the west until well into the 20th century - and not without a fight either. Later came elections open to all.
In the case of countries that have been subjected to neocolonialism, it goes without saying they need a generation of steady preparation to begin developing and rolling out their OWN form of government which necessarily should not be some sort of carbon copy of Europe.
Everyone has their own history and culture. What ever they want to do has to reflect their own way of being and of relationships. It’s THEIR country. Sovereignty does not align with a bunch of capitalist European deciding that everyone must have a form of government most suitable for crony capitalism.
It’s typical Eurocolonial arrogance to demand that everyone MUST do exactly as you do. Pure arrogance.
"Also if you look back in even western history - the countries that demand everyone else must fetishise elections - they did not develop under one person-one vote democracy. In fact they developed with elections for wealthy oligarchs , or for certain racial classes or or for men only etc. The American democracy was founded by only wealthy landowners. Jim Crow was going on in America until the 1960s."
Great point indeed. I don't think women could vote in Switzerland until 1990 or something.
Working class men in the UK cities got the vote in 1867, extended to the country side about twenty years later, so this idea of a long standing democracy is total bollocks.
Indeed, but whatever the case. Africans should be free and able to develop whatever for of government they align on as being best for their people, their values and their goals.
That could involve some element of a parliamentary style government- or not. It’s got to be up to them. Not Europeans or Americans.
And it’s got to be something they roll out on their own timeline, according to their own needs and readiness. For their own national needs. Not westerners’ agenda.
1970s swiss women got the vote, but in any case there are different models of democracy around the globe. Before saying "we are a democracy" it might be a good idea to look at different parliamentary and electoral systems to see which ones are the most representative and inclusive for the general population. There is a lot to consider.
But even before that, setting the processes in place to ensure a fairer society where the country's wealth is used to benefit its own population doesn't require democracy, although the existence of such a system would most likely make democracy more stable. If you have those systems in place first, it may be easier to transition to a more sustainable democracy. A more equitable society where trust in government is high and corruption is low (preferably non existent) are much less likely to see voters swayed by misinformation, or influenced by malign external actors. Demagoguery would also become less attractive to voters when considering political candidates.
It makes my heart sing to see Africa kicking out colonizers. Westerners (especially the USA) has ZERO moral authority or credibility. The USA & it’s minions have ruined, destroyed, pillaged and murdered millions in the name of ‘democracy.’ The word doesn’t mean what you might think it means. Just because a Zionist, 2 party oligarchy calls itself a democracy doesn’t make it so.
Firstly I would like to thank you Deaglan for covering this. I still see fra to few leftists talking about this.
Secondly I think Traoré is well within his rights choosing to walk this road towards the future. It's incredible to see the improvements they have made in such a short time as well as charting out the way for other African nations to follow. Because now really seems to be the time for Africa to do the final break with their neo-colonial powers as the west continues it's decline.
Thirdly I was wondering how you came in contact with people in Burkina. I would love to talk about the development in the country/region with locals.
I agree with everything you've said. I am a Traoré fan. I went to international schools so I met a few Burkinabe folks in my life. You can find them on Reddit and other forums too!
It's an old analasys on why they though the revolution in Burkina didn't succeed after the death of Sankara last time. I feel I still don't know enough about the country and their material conditions to say one way or the other.
He shouldn’t wish for democracy… All that means is that CIA is going to do a color, revolution, over through your government, install a puppet and suck all your resources dry. They’ve already kicked out the French, they finally getting stabilized.
And voting is overrated anyway. Almost every single western country has a Uniparty.
Even in France, where they have at least 12 political parties, look what’s happening.
Voting is a waste of time.
In fact, most people need to stop voting. Because it doesn’t make a difference, all of elected politicians are from the same cloth: continues wars, continues pandemics to maintain the wealth transfer
Traore's point about the form of goverment needing to match the stage of development, is also quite important. It is difficult to make great leaps and uplift the bottom half of a society in a short time, with capitalism and liberal democracy.
In fact these mechanisms are better suited to optimising a stable situation, than to transformational change.
You only have to look at the way the world is failing to meeting the climate change challenge, to see that. In countries where there is liberal democracy and ultracapitalism, government money and support that should be going to clean energy, is going to oil companies. In these countries, where electric cars should be fed by generic energy from a single nationally run charging system, instead you have really wasteful semi competing oligopiles runnung parrallel commercial networks and creaming off profits - because its what capitalism does. Because there is no central command system that can force step change through central planning, and force everyone to drop old orthodoxies.
To some extent you need some form of benevolent but mildly authoritarian rule to force transformational change. Its for this reason that China is the world leader in pretty much every aspect of clean energy right now. Their modified socialist system works for step change.
I think its the reason the Sahel countries are looking to that model - it works for transformation. Its why many African countries and some European ones too, look up to China.
That model of running a society, works for transformation, and that we are clearly in an age of transformation, is why China is viewed as a "threat" by the western powers.
I'm half Nigerian and half English. I'm pretty tired of listening to people banging on about how useless Africans are, "look at how they haven't sorted anything out since we left", leading to the nonsense that it was for our own good and totally ignoring the ongoing theft of resources. Conveniently forgetting that after the Romans left Britain, we had the dark ages and that lasted a lot longer than sixty years and world trade hadn't been stitched up to benefit the few. I sincerely hope he's successful in reclaiming the country for the people and getting rid of the religious nutjobs with murderous habits. I suspect that if he looks like he can't be corrupted then he will be betrayed by some bootlicker and murdered so that chaos ensues and change for the better derailed but I really hope that I'm wrong.
The western imperialists would just love an election that they could meddle with. Bribe, corrupt, destabalise. Sponsor their own lap- dog demagogue.
It's what the CIA, MI6 and the rest do.
One has only to look at the situation in the UK and US where democracy results in a choice between two types of neo-liberalism,red or blue. Down this side in South Africa, they have had 31years of "democracy" and are ruled by a corrupt elite, while the mineral wealth of the natiin is sucked out by the corporations of the imperialists. Work it out for yourselves.
Traore appears to have sincere intentions for the future of the people who have placed their trust in him. His speech is unequivocal and his actions match his words like a print matches the block. He has seen how liberal democracy serves only the interests of the wealthy and corrupt and through a benign but strict administration he can protect his people his country and its resources from the vultures and thieves of Western Kleptocracy. By his example and behaviour as a human being he is immortalising the spirit of his forebears, Patrice Lumumba, Muammar Qaddafi and Thomas Sankara and is setting a model for Pan African unity which is anathema to the likes of AFRICOM and ECOWAS, thus signalling the death of Western colonialism. May he be blessed in his endeavours.
My friend, I'd like to send you an essay I wrote about Togo, a country bordering Burkina. I'm an American who's been living in a village in Togo for almost a year. I discuss indigenous communities and 'development' in the essay. I look at the structural forces at play and popular unquestioned assumptions in an informal tone from an anarchist, decolonial perspective referencing scholarly works. I think my analysis is very relevant and urgent for understanding today's West Africa. You of all people know that all the media that the West sees about Africa is total bs, so we really don't know much about life here. Can I send it to you in an email?
The west has no right to lecture anyone on democracy and, just to be clear, western liberal regimes are not really democracies. As recent events show, western countries live under fascism, some more liberal than others. It's not for us to say whether his is the right way. If he has the support of the people, let them work it out. It's also not for us to say whether it will succeed or end up with another egotist regime. Let the people work it out. The biggest obstacle the people of Burkina Faso face is not their new government, what ever happens, it is from western imperialist interference led by the USA, UK, and France. I have no doubt the CIA, MI5, and the French equivalent already have forces on the ground fostering opposition to a people's government.
Exactly.
It’s becoming increasingly clear for example that the entire west is run by and for Israel - and the population didn’t vote for that!
Traoré is 💯 percent right.
Our Western democracies have no right whatsoever to claim any moral high ground. In fact ours are democracies in name only. We elect politicians who are in the pockets of wealthy oligarchs and/or members of the Israel lobby and who put the interests of their puppet masters before those of the people.
Traore is improving his country for his people very rapidly and removing the colonists who have been knowingly preventing progress while skimming off the cream for themselves.
More power to Ibrahim Traore!
Democracy is impossible. Organized minorities will control the masses, period, the end. Leftism is nonsense.
A few thoughts:
Elections are fetished…but why? Holding elections doesn’t mean the country is a democracy: https://archive.org/details/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc
https://venezuelanalysis.com/columns/the-scam-behind-free-elections/
The western imperialism machine loves elections because they provide cover for taking over countries without the populace ever knowing they have been colonized:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/usaid-media-funding-cuts-indepdent-news/289093/
Also if you look back in even western history - the countries that demand everyone else must fetishise elections - they did not develop under one person-one vote democracy. In fact they developed with elections for wealthy oligarchs , or for certain racial classes or or for men only etc. The American democracy was founded by only wealthy landowners. Jim Crow was going on in America until the 1960s.
Women did not vote in the west until well into the 20th century - and not without a fight either. Later came elections open to all.
In the case of countries that have been subjected to neocolonialism, it goes without saying they need a generation of steady preparation to begin developing and rolling out their OWN form of government which necessarily should not be some sort of carbon copy of Europe.
Everyone has their own history and culture. What ever they want to do has to reflect their own way of being and of relationships. It’s THEIR country. Sovereignty does not align with a bunch of capitalist European deciding that everyone must have a form of government most suitable for crony capitalism.
It’s typical Eurocolonial arrogance to demand that everyone MUST do exactly as you do. Pure arrogance.
"Also if you look back in even western history - the countries that demand everyone else must fetishise elections - they did not develop under one person-one vote democracy. In fact they developed with elections for wealthy oligarchs , or for certain racial classes or or for men only etc. The American democracy was founded by only wealthy landowners. Jim Crow was going on in America until the 1960s."
Great point indeed. I don't think women could vote in Switzerland until 1990 or something.
Working class men in the UK cities got the vote in 1867, extended to the country side about twenty years later, so this idea of a long standing democracy is total bollocks.
Indeed, but whatever the case. Africans should be free and able to develop whatever for of government they align on as being best for their people, their values and their goals.
That could involve some element of a parliamentary style government- or not. It’s got to be up to them. Not Europeans or Americans.
And it’s got to be something they roll out on their own timeline, according to their own needs and readiness. For their own national needs. Not westerners’ agenda.
Yep.
1970s swiss women got the vote, but in any case there are different models of democracy around the globe. Before saying "we are a democracy" it might be a good idea to look at different parliamentary and electoral systems to see which ones are the most representative and inclusive for the general population. There is a lot to consider.
But even before that, setting the processes in place to ensure a fairer society where the country's wealth is used to benefit its own population doesn't require democracy, although the existence of such a system would most likely make democracy more stable. If you have those systems in place first, it may be easier to transition to a more sustainable democracy. A more equitable society where trust in government is high and corruption is low (preferably non existent) are much less likely to see voters swayed by misinformation, or influenced by malign external actors. Demagoguery would also become less attractive to voters when considering political candidates.
It’s not the Western imperialist machine, its covert jewish supremacy and control that uses “democracies” to achieve their goals.
It makes my heart sing to see Africa kicking out colonizers. Westerners (especially the USA) has ZERO moral authority or credibility. The USA & it’s minions have ruined, destroyed, pillaged and murdered millions in the name of ‘democracy.’ The word doesn’t mean what you might think it means. Just because a Zionist, 2 party oligarchy calls itself a democracy doesn’t make it so.
Firstly I would like to thank you Deaglan for covering this. I still see fra to few leftists talking about this.
Secondly I think Traoré is well within his rights choosing to walk this road towards the future. It's incredible to see the improvements they have made in such a short time as well as charting out the way for other African nations to follow. Because now really seems to be the time for Africa to do the final break with their neo-colonial powers as the west continues it's decline.
Thirdly I was wondering how you came in contact with people in Burkina. I would love to talk about the development in the country/region with locals.
Thank you, for thanking me! And for reading.
I agree with everything you've said. I am a Traoré fan. I went to international schools so I met a few Burkinabe folks in my life. You can find them on Reddit and other forums too!
Another thing this reminded me off. I would love to hear your thoughs on this article: https://www.bannedthought.net/International/RIM/AWTW/1988-10/AWTW-10-BurkinaFaso.pdf
It's an old analasys on why they though the revolution in Burkina didn't succeed after the death of Sankara last time. I feel I still don't know enough about the country and their material conditions to say one way or the other.
And i want to follow in his footsteps. If you can help me in getting my Phoenix League off the ground, I’ll be in your debt. https://bsky.app/profile/phoenixleague.bsky.social/post/3lls3eitpdc2b
He shouldn’t wish for democracy… All that means is that CIA is going to do a color, revolution, over through your government, install a puppet and suck all your resources dry. They’ve already kicked out the French, they finally getting stabilized.
And voting is overrated anyway. Almost every single western country has a Uniparty.
Even in France, where they have at least 12 political parties, look what’s happening.
Voting is a waste of time.
In fact, most people need to stop voting. Because it doesn’t make a difference, all of elected politicians are from the same cloth: continues wars, continues pandemics to maintain the wealth transfer
Traore's point about the form of goverment needing to match the stage of development, is also quite important. It is difficult to make great leaps and uplift the bottom half of a society in a short time, with capitalism and liberal democracy.
In fact these mechanisms are better suited to optimising a stable situation, than to transformational change.
You only have to look at the way the world is failing to meeting the climate change challenge, to see that. In countries where there is liberal democracy and ultracapitalism, government money and support that should be going to clean energy, is going to oil companies. In these countries, where electric cars should be fed by generic energy from a single nationally run charging system, instead you have really wasteful semi competing oligopiles runnung parrallel commercial networks and creaming off profits - because its what capitalism does. Because there is no central command system that can force step change through central planning, and force everyone to drop old orthodoxies.
To some extent you need some form of benevolent but mildly authoritarian rule to force transformational change. Its for this reason that China is the world leader in pretty much every aspect of clean energy right now. Their modified socialist system works for step change.
I think its the reason the Sahel countries are looking to that model - it works for transformation. Its why many African countries and some European ones too, look up to China.
That model of running a society, works for transformation, and that we are clearly in an age of transformation, is why China is viewed as a "threat" by the western powers.
I'm half Nigerian and half English. I'm pretty tired of listening to people banging on about how useless Africans are, "look at how they haven't sorted anything out since we left", leading to the nonsense that it was for our own good and totally ignoring the ongoing theft of resources. Conveniently forgetting that after the Romans left Britain, we had the dark ages and that lasted a lot longer than sixty years and world trade hadn't been stitched up to benefit the few. I sincerely hope he's successful in reclaiming the country for the people and getting rid of the religious nutjobs with murderous habits. I suspect that if he looks like he can't be corrupted then he will be betrayed by some bootlicker and murdered so that chaos ensues and change for the better derailed but I really hope that I'm wrong.
Not just Africans are tired of the racist narrative
The western imperialists would just love an election that they could meddle with. Bribe, corrupt, destabalise. Sponsor their own lap- dog demagogue.
It's what the CIA, MI6 and the rest do.
One has only to look at the situation in the UK and US where democracy results in a choice between two types of neo-liberalism,red or blue. Down this side in South Africa, they have had 31years of "democracy" and are ruled by a corrupt elite, while the mineral wealth of the natiin is sucked out by the corporations of the imperialists. Work it out for yourselves.
Ah democracy, the will of the majority.. I guess along those lines of thinking so is gang rape...
I am holding my breath for Traore. Please let him be what he seems. I want to admire him so badly.
Traore appears to have sincere intentions for the future of the people who have placed their trust in him. His speech is unequivocal and his actions match his words like a print matches the block. He has seen how liberal democracy serves only the interests of the wealthy and corrupt and through a benign but strict administration he can protect his people his country and its resources from the vultures and thieves of Western Kleptocracy. By his example and behaviour as a human being he is immortalising the spirit of his forebears, Patrice Lumumba, Muammar Qaddafi and Thomas Sankara and is setting a model for Pan African unity which is anathema to the likes of AFRICOM and ECOWAS, thus signalling the death of Western colonialism. May he be blessed in his endeavours.
The Ministers of State and Foreign affairs of Burkina Faso tearing a new one to the shitehole that is the UN
https://youtu.be/52idm1mWau0?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/Wz4zFa7lPQo?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/eHwI-8Hdli0?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/A9cle-g_wW0?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/FRPH1VoTvWk?feature=shared
My friend, I'd like to send you an essay I wrote about Togo, a country bordering Burkina. I'm an American who's been living in a village in Togo for almost a year. I discuss indigenous communities and 'development' in the essay. I look at the structural forces at play and popular unquestioned assumptions in an informal tone from an anarchist, decolonial perspective referencing scholarly works. I think my analysis is very relevant and urgent for understanding today's West Africa. You of all people know that all the media that the West sees about Africa is total bs, so we really don't know much about life here. Can I send it to you in an email?
Democracy is crap, so I don't care. France would be better off if no one could vote.